From: Kevin Caldwell Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 1997 8:07 AM To: davis@halcyon.com Subject: RE: Polar Corrections Davis, I'm not subscribed to the Digest, and I don't have permission to post, so I won't be posting the airspeed corrections. I'm not sure I want to get involved in a public discussion of polar measurement with uncalibrated instruments anyway. Relatively small instrument errors in sink rate or airspeed can obviously effect the best L/D number quite significantly. I agree your polars are probably a reasonably good comparison between those particular examples of the gliders, but I wonder if you took some more runs of the XC how close they would be? The correction for the airspeed depression below the wing should actually be built into the instrument deck. Since it is actual glide through the air and over the ground that are of interest for speed to fly, and speed to get there respectively, then that is the speeds the fancy instrument decks should be working with. 6% error at best L/D is fairly significant, and it is bigger at lower speeds. What polar are you using in your GC? The sink rate numbers your GC produces seem higher than I have measured and seen on other decks, which would account for the lower L/D values you are measuring. It is harder to check the vario calibration than the airspeed. Any idea how Ball sets the vario calibration? If they just rely on some +/- 10% resistors, then there could be some big errors. If the GC is incorrectly measuring airmass and glider sink rates, then it will give you incorrect speeds to fly, particularly for speeds to get there. And of course much lower L/D numbers. I can understand why manufactures are not keen to have all this data from uncalibrated instrument decks published everywhere. Even from one deck and one pilot, the values of the L/D numbers will stick in peoples minds. And if you add in multiple decks with varying calibration and different pilots and harnesses, you have huge potential for the less discriminating pilots to be misled with questionable data. Since manufacturers are also face with the same calibration and scatter difficulties, any data they might publish could end up making their glider "leper of the year" against other manufacturer's uncalibrated data. Not a good scenario. I liked your phrase that good science is expensive. I think we need high quality measurements like Dick Johnson does for sailplanes. This would have been such a far better thing to spend thousands of dollars on than fighting the waiver, but I guess that would never happen. Kevin